A Minister in Lula’s Cabinet has told the Brazilian press that he does not agree with Venezuelans recalling Hugo Chavez and we should “wait” until 2006 when Chavez’ term expires. Now, I find it amazing that a Minister from the country that presides over the “Group of Friends” would say that he disagrees with a process that is part of the Venezuelan Constitution and is thus part of Venezuelan democracy whether he likes it or not. Furthermore, allowing the recall process was part of the agreement brokered by the Group of Friends. Moreover, Minister Dirceu is basically taking sides in a process that his country is supposed to be leading to resolve the issues between two very polarized sides. But if this is undiplomatic, unpolite and irrespectful of all Venezuelans, what I find most amazing is that nobody in Venezuela has said anything about it. Where is the opposition? Where is the Democratic Coordinator? I think this deserves a press release asking the Brazilian Government to respect the country’s Constitution and to reject and protest those statements by Minister Dirceu. The opposition needs to be more forceful, otherwise, we might get all of the signtures but never have the recall. If the world is allowed to believe that this recall is not democractic, then I fear that is what may happen…..
Brazilian Minister questions recall petition drive, opposition silent on the issue….
November 12, 2003Brother, can you spare a little billion US$?
November 10, 2003
President Chavez demonstrated, once again, his ignorance yesterday on economic matters, when he stated that he had asked the Venezuelan Central Bank for “another little billion (of US$)” saying he had been having that discussion with the Central Bank for the last three months and that the Bank did not want to give it to him. Chavez even went further saying that if the Central Bank did not give it to him, he would go to the Supreme Court (??). Chavez said something what I have wondered about before in my writings here and in the local newspapers, what is the point of having US$ 21 billion in reserves if you can not use it?. I have questioned for months the policy of having exchange controls and accumulating international reserves at the expense of the Venezuelan economy. Reserves are meant to be managed not accumulated. I am sure that it was Chavez himself who set the country on this irresponsible policy due to his power and lack of understanding. Unfortunately, I have not heard anyone from the opposition reply to Chavez telling him the difference between international reserves and Government revenues. I think something simple like explaining what would happen if all the 21 “little billions” were given away to him, what would happen to the country, would make the point very clear. Over the years I have found that even educated people do not know that while having international reserves is good, it does not mean much in terms of solving the fiscal problems of a nation. Few people even know what international reserves are. I would bet most Venezuelan politicians don’t understand the issue, but at least they don’t say anything about it. Moreover, after five years as President you would think Chavez would have learned something from the members of his cabinet. Chavez wants the “little billion” (millardito) to promote agriculture, and that is a whole other story about the President’s ignorance…..
For the Record: The phantoms marchers of Puente El Llaguno
November 10, 2003A reader named Vivien had the precaution of saving a web page and pictures from a discussion in Analitica.com that took place in June4th. 2002. The pictures show the people who were being shot at from Puente El Llaguno on that fateful day April 11th., 2002. According to that fictional film “The revolucion will not be televised” there was nobody below the bridge that day and the gunmen were shooting at some snipers. According to Chavez in his testimony in Congress, the Metropolitan Police’s “whale” was moving alone below the bridge to “stage” the coup. Here is a sequence of pictures which clearly show the march below Puente El Llaguno as the shooting begins and continues. These are the phantom marchers of Puente El Llaguno which that ridiculous piece of propaganda wants us to believe. Thanks Vivien for saving it and for sending it!!!!! Here it is for the record!!!


The gunmen shooting The marchers apparently before the shooting began
you can see Puente El Llaguno in the distance


The people hiding behind the police “whale” as the gunmen shoot from the top of the bridge, you can see the march is split now


People stay back as the shooting continues and the cops try to use tear gas. They may be out of sequence….
The pseudo-democracy called Venezuela
November 9, 2003
These are things that have happened in Venezuela in the last few days which confirm the lack of democratic institutions in the country:
-Hugo Chavez forces TV and radio stations to broadcast live any event in which he appears. On Thursday, the stations had been warned that they would have to broadcast him giving away fifty houses in the Mariches barrio of Caracas (A poor barrio). Well, the transmission never took place because of the pot-banging and protests of the people in the surrounding areas. If Globovision had had its remote microwave equipment, it would have shown the protest.
–According to today’s El Universal between September 26th. and October 27th. 11,530 Cubans were flown into Venezuela arriving through the Presidential gate of the International Airport. The paper shows copies of the immigration forms, has a list of all the flights and how many passengers arrived in each one and shows pictures of some of the arrivals. All the passengers gave their profession as medical doctors and all of them said their address was the Cuban Embassy in Caracas. Will anyone investigate? Will these Cubans become the “people” protesting in the streets against Chavez being revoked? What are they doing here?
-The Corte Primera en lo Contenciosos y Adminsitrativa had a decision ready, giving back all of its equipment to TV station Globovision the day the Government “disappeared” the Court. The TV station had asked the Court to grant it an injunction because the confiscation of its equipment by the Government had violated its rights and the formal procedures required for such an act. Currently, there is no Court to consider an injunction like that one. Can a democracy function if there is no rule of law?
-Four young people were detained by the National Guard when they were protesting against President Chavez, from the top of their building where they live in Puerto La Cruz, East of Caracas. Chavez was on his way to inaugurate a water treatment plant. They young men were pot-banging from atop the building and, according to the neighbors; two of them had bloody faces when they were taken away. When does intolerance become fascism? I think we went past that point long time ago. (From page B-21 of today’s El Nacional)
Letter to a British friend by Humberto
November 9, 2003 My friend Humberto wrote this letter to his British friend, it merits sharing it (By the way Humberto, there are political prisoners already, one is a General who refused to obey orders to fire on the people, the other two are the leaders of the general strike last year, both in exile): We agree Venezuela has an unsustainable poverty gap. However, chavismo is not the way. While Chavez may be preventing Venezuela from going the way of Argentina, I do believe there are worse things that can happen to a nation. Notice Chavez has totally demolished any autonomous businesses. Why? Most business-people oppose him and it is to his advantage to emasculate them. He has disassembled years of investment in people at the oil company by firing, for strictly political reasons, 18,000 of the most qualified and competent oil professionals who went on strike against him. As a scientist, you should know R&D at PDVSA (the oil company) is a thing of the past. The beneficiaries of the brain drain are none other than big oil, who is getting in on the action via extremely lucrative revenue sharing contracts. This is the de-nationalization of Venezuelan oil, occurring under a government that claims to be of the “left”. You say you will change your mind about Chavez when I tell you of political prisoners. At present, all possible means are being used to strong-arm government employees so that they do not petition for a recall referendum. The signatures will be published along with your national id number for all to see. I do not doubt government contractors and employees will be checked against the list. Recently, government employees are being asked to provide “emergency contact” forms with the id numbers of relatives: could it be to intimidate relatives into not signing? Venezuelans abroad (like myself) will be denied the right to petition since “the process cannot be controlled” (I am quoting the electoral council president). So Chavez may not have political prisoners (mercifully they tend to go into exile since Venezuelan prisons are the worst they have ever been). But even this point on the lack of political prisoners is arguable: General Alfonzo Martinez has been jailed, without trial and in what seems to me to be an illegal manner, for the high crime of speaking publicly about democracy in Venezuela. Chavez intimidates and strong-arms anybody who opposes him. Total domination of every branch of the government is the avowed goal of the regime. As an example, the government controlled assembly is pushing through reforms that would increase the number of supreme court magistrates from twenty to thirty because the extra ten will be government appointees who will break the current 50-50 deadlock. They may succeed even though defections have taken its toll on the original huge chavista majority. A high court in Caracas has been dissolved because they have sentenced and decreed against the government: no matter that they (the regime) had simply ignored the now dissolved courts judicial orders. On a more personal level, a relative of mine, a former chavista activist who volunteers in the “barrios”, cannot find work as a teacher anywhere because he is blacklisted. He is a “former” chavista who like many others, believed in his original message of hope. It is the worst form of intimidation. If you are not with us, you are nothing. If I were still in Venezuela, there is no doubt I would be blacklisted as well. Why should I be different than most of my friends from college and high school that stayed behind? The blacklist may yet end up being a badge of honor though I cannot criticize friends and relatives who have feigned loyalty to the regime to ensure jobs and/or contracts that can bring food to the family table. And while the press, who was instrumental in creating the image that got him elected, is still nominally free, not a week goes by without abuse and intimidation from the government. The 24×7 news channel, Globovision, cannot broadcast live from remote locations because its microwave gear was impounded for “operating on unauthorized frequencies”. Chavez and his close buddy Fidel Castro, the soon to be extinct dinosaur of Latin American dictators, is calling Venezuelan media nothing more and nothing less than prostitutes (“jineteras”), sold to “special interests” yet not a single chavista newspaper has been able to stay afloat without massive government subsidies. The film you saw is well financed by the regime and exists in at least three different cuts. Either you are with Chavez, or nothing …nada! With Chavez, the fate that awaits Venezuela is worse than Argentina‘s. With the economy depressed, local industry in tatters, unemployment rampant, a nullified PDVSA, Venezuela is ripe for take-over by multi-nationals and special interests. This does not represent an issue for Chavez because his primary goal is to stay in power until 2021 (his words) and he has proven his nationalist ideology is made of rubber (e.g. very flexible). I believe he prefers foreign control of the economy because, by its nature, foreign capital is opportunistic and does not care about abstract concepts like “freedom”, “justice”, etc. so long as there is a profit somewhere. A foreign investor is detached from national reality (in a manner analogous to the Spanish-financed holiday resorts in Cuba, which are a “world apart”) whereas a local entrepreneur cares about the future and hence, would be involved in politics. So the future, according to Chavez, is an economy driven by foreign capital, where “extraction activities” and not internal growth is the primary activity. That way Venezuelans can “grab” a little. The poverty gap we both agree is unsustainable is in fact worse than it ever was because: (a) the poor are poorer, and (b) the middle class has been slowly pauperized and (3) a new “chavista” ruling class, that leeches unproductively from the state, has emerged to take its place. So even the most basic issue of Venezuelan politics and society has not been addressed by this regime. Mercifully, what remains of our tattered democracy may yet come to the rescue as support for Chavez is vanishing across the board but also, most significantly, in the dominant impoverished population. The best evidence: Chavez is routinely resorting to filling-out stadiums with civilian dressed military recruits, obeying orders. And, he cannot be seen in public without eliciting a spontaneous Latin-style “cacerolazo” or massive pot banging against him. And in the government, mediocrity runs rampant. Chavez himself surrounds himself with “yes-men” he micro-manages on an almost hourly basis, rarely getting any sleep and sustaining himself on caffeine and only God knows what else. He would come-up with some half-assed idea, call up the minister, and two hours later either change his mind or demand to see results. The promises to Venezuelans have been as endless as his speeches: to end unemployment, to rescue abandoned children, to feed the hungry, to pull everybody into the middle class … The cabinet itself has been a revolving door of dissatisfaction. To keep former ministers from speaking, they are sent to diplomatic consular postings abroad, where they can escape the madness and more to the point, stay quiet and “loyal”. The state of the Venezuelan military is one of the saddest aspects of the “revolution”. In essence, they have been reduced to a praetorian guard serving the tattered emperor while ignoring key national security concerns such as Colombian guerilla infiltration. Chavista officers have accumulated wealth through corrupt side deals and often own property abroad (ironically for “revolutionaries” southern Florida seems quite popular). Righteous officers are held back in their careers and are sent to “punishment” postings. Yet even here there is hope as there is a sense that the armed forces can be recovered. Opposition to Chavez runs the full spectrum of left to right. It includes labor unions, chambers of commerce, as well as former guerillas. Respectable left-wingers, who ought to be natural allies of Chavez if the rhetoric was real, like President Lula da Silva of Brazil, are keeping their distance. I am not prepared to vouch for anybody in particular in the opposition but at this point, I do not care to anyway. The single-minded goal is initiate change. Opposition to Chavez is not ideological because Chavez is not an ideologue. That’s why it is nonsense to speak of a leader of the opposition. Venezuelan politics is not bi-polar nor should it be. I like the shades and rainbow colors and I am not concerned. Leaders are emerging already and we will have them. Opposition to Chavez is about fighting divisiveness and mediocrity that has torn apart my country. That’s why most of us will do everything we can to give Venezuela a fighting chance. In Venezuela, most of us speak of “robo-lucion” instead of revolution (the word “robo” means theft). The so-called bolivarian revolution is nothing more than a pretense for narcissistic self-perpetuation for who is, at the core, a deliriously pathological character that clearly is in dire need of psychoanalysis and institutional treatment (see the “New Yorker” article that contains an interview with his psycho-analyst). In short, a fraud, a tragic lie inflicted on Venezuelans who really, deserve better. Step 1 is to shut down the circus by firing the ringmaster, head clown and owner of the joint. We get rid of this farce through the recall referendum. It will be difficult: he already yelling fraud and accusing the CIA of infiltration. But, we must win. Best, -hl
Letter to a British friend by Humberto
November 9, 2003 My friend Humberto wrote this letter to his British friend, it merits sharing it (By the way Humberto, there are political prisoners already, one is a General who refused to obey orders to fire on the people, the other two are the leaders of the general strike last year, both in exile): We agree Venezuela has an unsustainable poverty gap. However, chavismo is not the way. While Chavez may be preventing Venezuela from going the way of Argentina, I do believe there are worse things that can happen to a nation. Notice Chavez has totally demolished any autonomous businesses. Why? Most business-people oppose him and it is to his advantage to emasculate them. He has disassembled years of investment in people at the oil company by firing, for strictly political reasons, 18,000 of the most qualified and competent oil professionals who went on strike against him. As a scientist, you should know R&D at PDVSA (the oil company) is a thing of the past. The beneficiaries of the brain drain are none other than big oil, who is getting in on the action via extremely lucrative revenue sharing contracts. This is the de-nationalization of Venezuelan oil, occurring under a government that claims to be of the “left”. You say you will change your mind about Chavez when I tell you of political prisoners. At present, all possible means are being used to strong-arm government employees so that they do not petition for a recall referendum. The signatures will be published along with your national id number for all to see. I do not doubt government contractors and employees will be checked against the list. Recently, government employees are being asked to provide “emergency contact” forms with the id numbers of relatives: could it be to intimidate relatives into not signing? Venezuelans abroad (like myself) will be denied the right to petition since “the process cannot be controlled” (I am quoting the electoral council president). So Chavez may not have political prisoners (mercifully they tend to go into exile since Venezuelan prisons are the worst they have ever been). But even this point on the lack of political prisoners is arguable: General Alfonzo Martinez has been jailed, without trial and in what seems to me to be an illegal manner, for the high crime of speaking publicly about democracy in Venezuela. Chavez intimidates and strong-arms anybody who opposes him. Total domination of every branch of the government is the avowed goal of the regime. As an example, the government controlled assembly is pushing through reforms that would increase the number of supreme court magistrates from twenty to thirty because the extra ten will be government appointees who will break the current 50-50 deadlock. They may succeed even though defections have taken its toll on the original huge chavista majority. A high court in Caracas has been dissolved because they have sentenced and decreed against the government: no matter that they (the regime) had simply ignored the now dissolved courts judicial orders. On a more personal level, a relative of mine, a former chavista activist who volunteers in the “barrios”, cannot find work as a teacher anywhere because he is blacklisted. He is a “former” chavista who like many others, believed in his original message of hope. It is the worst form of intimidation. If you are not with us, you are nothing. If I were still in Venezuela, there is no doubt I would be blacklisted as well. Why should I be different than most of my friends from college and high school that stayed behind? The blacklist may yet end up being a badge of honor though I cannot criticize friends and relatives who have feigned loyalty to the regime to ensure jobs and/or contracts that can bring food to the family table. And while the press, who was instrumental in creating the image that got him elected, is still nominally free, not a week goes by without abuse and intimidation from the government. The 24×7 news channel, Globovision, cannot broadcast live from remote locations because its microwave gear was impounded for “operating on unauthorized frequencies”. Chavez and his close buddy Fidel Castro, the soon to be extinct dinosaur of Latin American dictators, is calling Venezuelan media nothing more and nothing less than prostitutes (“jineteras”), sold to “special interests” yet not a single chavista newspaper has been able to stay afloat without massive government subsidies. The film you saw is well financed by the regime and exists in at least three different cuts. Either you are with Chavez, or nothing …nada! With Chavez, the fate that awaits Venezuela is worse than Argentina‘s. With the economy depressed, local industry in tatters, unemployment rampant, a nullified PDVSA, Venezuela is ripe for take-over by multi-nationals and special interests. This does not represent an issue for Chavez because his primary goal is to stay in power until 2021 (his words) and he has proven his nationalist ideology is made of rubber (e.g. very flexible). I believe he prefers foreign control of the economy because, by its nature, foreign capital is opportunistic and does not care about abstract concepts like “freedom”, “justice”, etc. so long as there is a profit somewhere. A foreign investor is detached from national reality (in a manner analogous to the Spanish-financed holiday resorts in Cuba, which are a “world apart”) whereas a local entrepreneur cares about the future and hence, would be involved in politics. So the future, according to Chavez, is an economy driven by foreign capital, where “extraction activities” and not internal growth is the primary activity. That way Venezuelans can “grab” a little. The poverty gap we both agree is unsustainable is in fact worse than it ever was because: (a) the poor are poorer, and (b) the middle class has been slowly pauperized and (3) a new “chavista” ruling class, that leeches unproductively from the state, has emerged to take its place. So even the most basic issue of Venezuelan politics and society has not been addressed by this regime. Mercifully, what remains of our tattered democracy may yet come to the rescue as support for Chavez is vanishing across the board but also, most significantly, in the dominant impoverished population. The best evidence: Chavez is routinely resorting to filling-out stadiums with civilian dressed military recruits, obeying orders. And, he cannot be seen in public without eliciting a spontaneous Latin-style “cacerolazo” or massive pot banging against him. And in the government, mediocrity runs rampant. Chavez himself surrounds himself with “yes-men” he micro-manages on an almost hourly basis, rarely getting any sleep and sustaining himself on caffeine and only God knows what else. He would come-up with some half-assed idea, call up the minister, and two hours later either change his mind or demand to see results. The promises to Venezuelans have been as endless as his speeches: to end unemployment, to rescue abandoned children, to feed the hungry, to pull everybody into the middle class … The cabinet itself has been a revolving door of dissatisfaction. To keep former ministers from speaking, they are sent to diplomatic consular postings abroad, where they can escape the madness and more to the point, stay quiet and “loyal”. The state of the Venezuelan military is one of the saddest aspects of the “revolution”. In essence, they have been reduced to a praetorian guard serving the tattered emperor while ignoring key national security concerns such as Colombian guerilla infiltration. Chavista officers have accumulated wealth through corrupt side deals and often own property abroad (ironically for “revolutionaries” southern Florida seems quite popular). Righteous officers are held back in their careers and are sent to “punishment” postings. Yet even here there is hope as there is a sense that the armed forces can be recovered. Opposition to Chavez runs the full spectrum of left to right. It includes labor unions, chambers of commerce, as well as former guerillas. Respectable left-wingers, who ought to be natural allies of Chavez if the rhetoric was real, like President Lula da Silva of Brazil, are keeping their distance. I am not prepared to vouch for anybody in particular in the opposition but at this point, I do not care to anyway. The single-minded goal is initiate change. Opposition to Chavez is not ideological because Chavez is not an ideologue. That’s why it is nonsense to speak of a leader of the opposition. Venezuelan politics is not bi-polar nor should it be. I like the shades and rainbow colors and I am not concerned. Leaders are emerging already and we will have them. Opposition to Chavez is about fighting divisiveness and mediocrity that has torn apart my country. That’s why most of us will do everything we can to give Venezuela a fighting chance. In Venezuela, most of us speak of “robo-lucion” instead of revolution (the word “robo” means theft). The so-called bolivarian revolution is nothing more than a pretense for narcissistic self-perpetuation for who is, at the core, a deliriously pathological character that clearly is in dire need of psychoanalysis and institutional treatment (see the “New Yorker” article that contains an interview with his psycho-analyst). In short, a fraud, a tragic lie inflicted on Venezuelans who really, deserve better. Step 1 is to shut down the circus by firing the ringmaster, head clown and owner of the joint. We get rid of this farce through the recall referendum. It will be difficult: he already yelling fraud and accusing the CIA of infiltration. But, we must win. Best, -hl
Chavez already claiming fraud by the opposition
November 8, 2003So now Hugo Chavez claims the opposition will commit fraud by having people sign the petitions many times….Now, since the CNE has a majority of pro-Chavez Directors, even if the opposition did this, the duplicate signatures will be invalidated anyway. My feeling is that the strategy might be to slowly begin disqualifying the CNE in order to claim the opposition never gathered sufficient signatures. As pointed out below, the opposition only needs those that voted against Chavez in 1998 and 2000 to go and sign the petition to have a valid petition and a recall referendum in early 2004. Chavez may be getting ready to try to hide the defeat in late November when we top the 3.5 million signature level. The CNE also decided that Chavez can not campaign against the petition drive, which I am sure he will not like and he will not obey. After all, if Chavez does campaign against the petition drive, what can the CNE do to stop him?
Chavez already claiming fraud by the opposition
November 8, 2003So now Hugo Chavez claims the opposition will commit fraud by having people sign the petitions many times….Now, since the CNE has a majority of pro-Chavez Directors, even if the opposition did this, the duplicate signatures will be invalidated anyway. My feeling is that the strategy might be to slowly begin disqualifying the CNE in order to claim the opposition never gathered sufficient signatures. As pointed out below, the opposition only needs those that voted against Chavez in 1998 and 2000 to go and sign the petition to have a valid petition and a recall referendum in early 2004. Chavez may be getting ready to try to hide the defeat in late November when we top the 3.5 million signature level. The CNE also decided that Chavez can not campaign against the petition drive, which I am sure he will not like and he will not obey. After all, if Chavez does campaign against the petition drive, what can the CNE do to stop him?
Estimating the number of signatures in the petition drive for the recall
November 6, 2003
Currently, there are 12,012,118 people registered to vote in Venezuela, thus the opposition will require 2,402,423 valid signatures in order to have the CNE approve the recall referendum for the President. Opposition figures have suggested numbers between 4 and 5 million voters which may be somewhat unrealistic given the limited time, the threats against public workers and those in the military as well as abstention. This is my attempt at being quantitative on a guesstimate:
While Venezuelans always indicate in the polls that they will vote, when voting time comes around many simply fail to show up. In the last two Presidential elections in 1998 and 2000, despite the enthusiasm for Chávez candidacy, abstention levels reached 33.52% and 43.69% respectively. Thus, when Hugo Chávez received 62.46% of the votes in 1998 and 59.76% in 2000, only 39.21% and 32.05% respectively of eligible Venezuelan voters actually cast a ballot for him. Thus, while the opposition argues that 70% of the electorate badly wants Chávez out of power and abstention levels should be lower, one may argue that the pro-Chávez voters in 1998 and 2000 were equally compelled to go and vote, but abstention levels were nevertheless quite high anyway. (In polls, of those that claim to regularly vote, 76% think that Chavez should be recalled, while of those that regularly do not vote, only 35% think he should be. If true, the final numbers will be much higher than my estimates below)
As a first possible scenario we may consider the 2000 Presidential election, which had an abstention level of 43.69%. This implies that the pool of interested voters would be roughly 6.76 million voters. If we take the range of numbers from current polls that go from 65-74% in favour of the opposition this would yield a total of between 4.39 and 5.00 million signatures. This would an outstanding result for the opposition, since it would indicate an easy recall in a referendum, since both numbers are higher than the 3.757 million votes that Chávez received in the 2000 Presidential election. (Curiously in 1998, with 40% fewer registered voters at the time, Carlos Andres Perez received 3.85 million votes in winning the Presidency in 1988, higher in absolute value than what Hugo Chavez received in either 1998 or 2000)
A true worst case scenario for the opposition can be calculated by assuming that only those that voted in that election against Chávez will be motivated to go out and sign the petition. This is 2.53 million signatures, a number above that required to ask for the recall, but too close for comfort given the fact that signatures may be challenged in Court if the number is too close to the 2.4 million minimum required.
What is difficult to measure is the impact of the threats by the Government against public workers who sign the petition. Some will feel threatened, others will not care. It is not easy to fire public workers in Venezuela, but if Chávez does survive the recall it is not farfetched to imagine a witch hunt against those that sign the recall petition. If we assume public workers are roughly 1.7 million including the centralized and decentralized governments, then roughly three hundred and fifty thousand work for non-Chavista regional governments and are not subject to pressure. Of the remainder, abstention should be the average abstention level of the country leaving only 1.35 million. If the pressure works, we expect only the non-hardcore anti-Chávez to fail to sign the petition. This group is estimated to be in polls 25% of the population leaving roughly 1 million voters who will not vote if the pressure works. This means that the opposition should receive between 3.4 and 4 million voters in the most realistic and probable case. If my estimate is correct, this would represent a huge victory for the opposition, given that it is comparable to the number of people who voted for Chvaez and in the actual recall referendum the vote will be secret.
Shame on them!
November 6, 2003This picture is the reason for the suspension of today’s meeting of the National Assembly:

Two Deputies, one from Accion Democratica (AD) and the other from Chavez’ Movimiento Quinta Republica started fighting leading to the cancellation of the session. This gives a new meaning to the word underdeveloped. Shame on them!!
