CNE Director Jorge Rodriguez gave a surprise press conference today to say that there are ongoing negotiations between the CNE and the opposition to negotiate the terms of the process for citizens to ratify their signatures. He gave few details but said the OAS and the Carter Center were mediating the conversations. He suggested there may be an announcement sometime Friday afternoon or Saturday morning.
Archive for March, 2004
CNE Director Rodiguez says negotiations are ongoing
March 3, 2004Statement by the Carter Center and the OAS
March 3, 2004
Here is the joint declaration by the OAS and the Carter Center given yesterday, posted today. Some highlights, the bold is mine:
In this process, in particular, we find sufficient controls, including security paper for the petitions, full identification of the citizen with signature and thumbprint, summary forms (actas) listing the petition (planillas) serial numbers during the collection process, party witnesses, personnel trained and designated by the CNE, verification of each petition form and a cross-check with the summary forms, a cross-check of the names with the voters list, and a mechanism for appeal and correction.
We have had some discrepancies with the CNE over the verification criteria. In the case of the petition forms in which the basic data of several signers, but not the signatures themselves, appear to have been filled in by one person, we do not share the criterion of the CNE to separate these signatures, sending them to the appeals process in order to be rectified by the citizens. These occur in such large numbers that they could have an impact on the outcome of the process.
We recognize that in any such process there can be attempts to manipulate the will of the citizens, but it is necessary to evaluate the magnitude of the impact that these attempts could have on the total universe. We understand the concerns of the CNE, but the evaluation should start from the presumption of the good faith of the citizen as a universal principle. During the signature collection process, we observed that some collection agents assisted signers in good faith by filling in their basic data.
Those citizens who are erroneously or fraudulently included on the list (planillas) should be given the opportunity to remove their names during the appeals and correction period. In addition, the signatures themselves that appear to have a similar handwriting, which have also been found, should be carefully reviewed in order to reject those that are not genuine.
The appeals and correction period was included in the process to provide, in cases of doubt, an opportunity for citizens to reaffirm their signatures, or to disavow their signatures in cases where their data has been used against their will. The CNE has accepted some of our recommendations in designing this appeals process. We support the efforts of the CNE and of the promoters to work together to establish the guarantees necessary to ensure that all of the citizens who wish to take advantage of this resource may do so. We urge them to continue in this direction.
Statement by the Carter Center and the OAS
March 3, 2004
Here is the joint declaration by the OAS and the Carter Center given yesterday, posted today. Some highlights, the bold is mine:
In this process, in particular, we find sufficient controls, including security paper for the petitions, full identification of the citizen with signature and thumbprint, summary forms (actas) listing the petition (planillas) serial numbers during the collection process, party witnesses, personnel trained and designated by the CNE, verification of each petition form and a cross-check with the summary forms, a cross-check of the names with the voters list, and a mechanism for appeal and correction.
We have had some discrepancies with the CNE over the verification criteria. In the case of the petition forms in which the basic data of several signers, but not the signatures themselves, appear to have been filled in by one person, we do not share the criterion of the CNE to separate these signatures, sending them to the appeals process in order to be rectified by the citizens. These occur in such large numbers that they could have an impact on the outcome of the process.
We recognize that in any such process there can be attempts to manipulate the will of the citizens, but it is necessary to evaluate the magnitude of the impact that these attempts could have on the total universe. We understand the concerns of the CNE, but the evaluation should start from the presumption of the good faith of the citizen as a universal principle. During the signature collection process, we observed that some collection agents assisted signers in good faith by filling in their basic data.
Those citizens who are erroneously or fraudulently included on the list (planillas) should be given the opportunity to remove their names during the appeals and correction period. In addition, the signatures themselves that appear to have a similar handwriting, which have also been found, should be carefully reviewed in order to reject those that are not genuine.
The appeals and correction period was included in the process to provide, in cases of doubt, an opportunity for citizens to reaffirm their signatures, or to disavow their signatures in cases where their data has been used against their will. The CNE has accepted some of our recommendations in designing this appeals process. We support the efforts of the CNE and of the promoters to work together to establish the guarantees necessary to ensure that all of the citizens who wish to take advantage of this resource may do so. We urge them to continue in this direction.
Terrorist being taken away by National Guard
March 3, 2004
Protests still strong a 2 AM.
March 3, 2004Confrontations are still taking place in many places, they are very intense, but fewerr of them around the city. Caurimare seems to be where the toughest battle is going on. I don’t not quite understand why the Government is being so repressive. Many people have been jailed, opposition leader Carlos Melo is accused of having a cache of weapons when he was captured at a gas station, unfortunately, the video cameras at the gas station showed that he had no weapons when he was taken away. Two judges are removed for releasing some of those jailed, in clear a sign that the repression is both military and political. Not as many news as last night. TV stations are being cautious.
A partial defeat, a significant victory
March 3, 2004
Sometimes it is difficult when emotions are involved to understand the true significance of events. It is easy to look back at history and interpret, it is more difficult to live it and understand. While the opposition did suffer a partial defeat in its efforts to hold a recall referendum against Hugo Chavez, the statement by the OAS and the Carter Center, basically saying that the signatures were there, will have an extremely significant impact in the future of Venezuela.
It is unusual for diplomats such as Francisco Jaramillo and Jennifer McCoy to be as undiplomatic as they were today. More so, when they plan to stay in the country mediating an already complex and potentially explosive situation.
After the unequivocal statement by these two institutions with a vast experience on electoral matters, the Venezuelan Government will have difficulties accusing the opposition of fraud or attempting to overthrow it. The OAS and the Carter Center said that the people of Venezuela did indeed gather the required signatures, because the process was tightly controlled, witnesses, observed and certified by all parties that participated in it.
The statement sends a very important and direct message to the international community as well as to the Chavez administration. One should remember that both the OAS and the Carter Center came to Venezuela invited by Chavez himself and not by the opposition, but today their message was one of absolute solidarity with the opposition’s position.
Nothing is improvised in diplomacy. Jaramillo and McCoy could have made the same statement from Washington, out of the fray of the conflict or the proximity of the Chavez Government. But their move is likely to be just one of a complex game of negotiation that is likely to be taking place as I write these words.
When one puts side by side the statements by the Diplomats and the opposition leaders, it is clear that something was left unsaid. That a negotiation is taking place or was left unfinished. That for some reason Carrasquero is not a central figure in the process. That various Governments are applying significant amounts of pressure to the Chávez administration and that our Secretary Sate will have a tough and busy day tomorrow. As Lula sides with Bush on Haiti and departed Caracas earlier than expected last week, Chavez is more isolated than he ever thought he would be.
If the mechanism for ratifying the signatures is improved and polished, it will be harder for the pro-Chavez forces to introduce new tricks in the process and the door will be open for Chavez’ recall. At this point, Chavez may choose the non-democratic path, but that will certainly lead to even an earlier departure of Hugo Chávez from the Venezuelan political scene.
A partial defeat, a significant victory
March 3, 2004
Sometimes it is difficult when emotions are involved to understand the true significance of events. It is easy to look back at history and interpret, it is more difficult to live it and understand. While the opposition did suffer a partial defeat in its efforts to hold a recall referendum against Hugo Chavez, the statement by the OAS and the Carter Center, basically saying that the signatures were there, will have an extremely significant impact in the future of Venezuela.
It is unusual for diplomats such as Francisco Jaramillo and Jennifer McCoy to be as undiplomatic as they were today. More so, when they plan to stay in the country mediating an already complex and potentially explosive situation.
After the unequivocal statement by these two institutions with a vast experience on electoral matters, the Venezuelan Government will have difficulties accusing the opposition of fraud or attempting to overthrow it. The OAS and the Carter Center said that the people of Venezuela did indeed gather the required signatures, because the process was tightly controlled, witnesses, observed and certified by all parties that participated in it.
The statement sends a very important and direct message to the international community as well as to the Chavez administration. One should remember that both the OAS and the Carter Center came to Venezuela invited by Chavez himself and not by the opposition, but today their message was one of absolute solidarity with the opposition’s position.
Nothing is improvised in diplomacy. Jaramillo and McCoy could have made the same statement from Washington, out of the fray of the conflict or the proximity of the Chavez Government. But their move is likely to be just one of a complex game of negotiation that is likely to be taking place as I write these words.
When one puts side by side the statements by the Diplomats and the opposition leaders, it is clear that something was left unsaid. That a negotiation is taking place or was left unfinished. That for some reason Carrasquero is not a central figure in the process. That various Governments are applying significant amounts of pressure to the Chávez administration and that our Secretary Sate will have a tough and busy day tomorrow. As Lula sides with Bush on Haiti and departed Caracas earlier than expected last week, Chavez is more isolated than he ever thought he would be.
If the mechanism for ratifying the signatures is improved and polished, it will be harder for the pro-Chavez forces to introduce new tricks in the process and the door will be open for Chavez’ recall. At this point, Chavez may choose the non-democratic path, but that will certainly lead to even an earlier departure of Hugo Chávez from the Venezuelan political scene.
David on the petition
March 3, 2004
A law student named David Forestell wrote this post at a Venezuela forum. David is Canadian, studying law in London right now, he lived in Caracas for nine months in 2002 and 2003, teaching English. I thought his post was quite good and asked him for permission to reproduce it here, as the view of an outsider:
If the CNE wishes to find out why forms were filled out with the same
handwriting they should interview their observers that signed the form
to approve the process.
In every society retroactive law is, effectively, not law at all. That
people were asked by the CNE to follow a certain procedure, and are now
being forced to account for their signatures because they CNE no longer
likes the process they approved is absurd.
The important thing to remember, Javier, is that this is not the actual
vote. It is an attempt to determine whether there exists sufficient
desire to activate a recall. Clearly there is. To suggest that a fraud
so massive that for every two signatures the third was a fraud is
absurd. How was this pulled off? How did no one notice? How can the
OAS, CNE, Carter Centre, MVR observers and VTV all have been so blind?
Does this continual delay seem credible to anyone, including chavistas?
To me it seems as though the only possible way in which someone could
continue to defend the government would be to turn a blind eye and
accept any abuse in the name of cheating because the means must justify
the ends. Whatever they may be.
dtf
Confrontations still going on
March 2, 2004There is violence going on, this time it seems the Government wants to provoke it. There are fewer people than last night in both Altaira and Caurimare, but things are much more violent. The Governor of Carabobo state just came on TV and said that a protest in the Naguanagua section of Valencia is being repressed by the joint action of the military, the National Guard, the political police DISIP and the pro-Chavez civilian Bolivarian Circles.
Separately, lots of people continue to be jailed although a judge freed a bunch here in Caracas. Seems like now the Government wants the conflict, but the people are staying home more today trying to digest the news.
Looking at the numbers
March 2, 2004
I like numbers, so let’s look at the ones announced by Carrasquero and analyze them. Sumate says they handed in 3,467,050, but right off the bat the CNE says only 3,060,013 were “accepted” so that 407,037 were rejected even before the process began based not on the signatures, not on the data, but on the fact that the cover sheet did not agree with the totals. These people can not go and complain, their signatures are disqualified. There were 39,060 forms which had this problem.
Of the 3,060,013 admitted by the CNE 1,832,433 were admitted as valid. Of these 143,930 were rejected because their data did not agree with the Electoral Registry. These people have no recourse, even if the error is in the registry which is known to have many errors in birthdates. This leaves 1,227,580 signatures set aside. Of these, 876,017 were declared under observation which means people have to go and say they did sign, and another 233,573 have “other reasons”. Only these 233,573 plus the 876,017 can be ratified giving a total of 1,109,590. Thus, the opposition needs 54.4% of those that signed but their signature was placed under observation to show up and ratify that they did sign.
This is not insurmountable. Besides being unfair and not part of the rules, the other limitations are that the old and the sick will not be able to participate as there will not be itinerant signature collectors this time around.
In terms of collection centers, there will the same 2,700 centers to collect 1,1019,590 signatures which if everyone shows up implies that 205 signatures have to be collected per day in two days, per center or 25 per hour. This is also doable, except one PC per Center seems a little stingy. I don’t quite understand either how come they can talk about only two days to present the complaint as the regulations explicitly say in Article 31 that you will have five days to do it.
Finally, the CNE says that it will publish a “booklet” with the National ID number of each person that participated and the status of their signature. Have they thought about this? I just took the Caracas phone book. It has 975 numbers per column, 5 columns per page. A newspaper page is twice as tall, 50% wider and if you only print ID numbers and status you might be able to squeeze in ten columns. This yields 1772 pages, almost twice the thickness of the current Caracas phonebook! In the interest of fairness they need to make 7,000,000 copies. How much does this cost?
