The Devil's Excrement

Carter and Gaviria speaking. Carter says that a quick check his Center performed at the totalization center and at selected voting locations, coincides with the CNE announcement. Gaviria was more careful at the beginning, but later supported the quick count mentioned by Carter. Gaviria said that the opposition should present the cases of fraud it has found and that the OAS with the evidence presented can not say there was fraud, but may later find something else. Carter said that Sumate had an exit poll with No ahead 55% to 45%, but then Gaviria seemed to contradict him saying that it was 52% for the Si and 48% for the NO. Carter more emphatic than Gaviria but both backing the results unless evidence of fraud is presented.

My friends, unles something earth shaking can be proven, we have now to accept the results.

These are some of the questions made by Tal Cual’s Editor Teodoro Petkoff in today’s Editorial:

CNE Directors Zamora and Mejías made very grave charges, for which public opinions require an explanation. How is it possible that the witnesses of the opposition witnesses (the same with pro-Chávez witnesses, that by the way, not even showed up) did not have access to the room where the results were calculated? How is it possible that no result from the random audit of the voting machines was ever presented? How is it possible that not only could the opposition witnesses not enter, but they never received their badges to be present at the audit? How can they give partial results with having certified the cover sheets of the results? Who computed the final results if the members of the committee that was supposed to do that composed of Jorge Rodriguez, Ezequiel Zamora, Luis Ramirez and Andres Brito, never met? This newspaper that has consistently advocated for the recognition that the parts had to have for the results, can not but express his doubts as well as request, for the same reason, a comparison of the physical vote and the numbers given out by the machines. The country also has the right to ask that the observers of the OAS and the Carter Center evaluate both the process and the results. If not, the suspicion that what happen was nothing but a steal will only become more consistent every day.

 And I would like to add one: How come abstention was in the end 37.5% if CNE Director Rodriguez spent the whole afternoon saying that it would return to historically low levels?

I will not ban anyone from the comments, but please try to be civil to each other. I think everyone should understand that we needed a clean result and there wasn’t one so far. There are significant contradictions in the announcement by Carrasquero and he should have made an effort to reach a unanimous decision even if it involved waiting a few hours. If the Carter Center and the OAS do not endorse the results, we are facing unstable times ahead. All of us! Whether you support Chávez or not! At this time, there are many questions, let’s organize them and try, please, to center the discussion around these issues, you are free to talk about anything you want, God, the Red Sox (they lost yesterday too), but I would like to hear what people believe and think objectively about all of these issues:

1) Should Carrasquero have waited?

2) Why haven’t the Carter Center and the OAS said anything? Will they? Should we care (I do!)

 3) Should we count the paper ballots center by center and match those results to the machines?

 4) What about other international observers, should they tell us about their report? Are they all simply sleeping?

 5) Do the results make sense when compared to the number of signatures? Compared to the number of signatures of all of the petition processes?

6) Does it sound reasonable that the two CNE Directors that do not support Chávez were excluded from the process of totalling the votes?

Thank You

I will not ban anyone from the comments, but please try to be civil to each other. I think everyone should understand that we needed a clean result and there wasn’t one so far. There are significant contradictions in the announcement by Carrasquero and he should have made an effort to reach a unanimous decision even if it involved waiting a few hours. If the Carter Center and the OAS do not endorse the results, we are facing unstable times ahead. All of us! Whether you support Chávez or not! At this time, there are many questions, let’s organize them and try, please, to center the discussion around these issues, you are free to talk about anything you want, God, the Red Sox (they lost yesterday too), but I would like to hear what people believe and think objectively about all of these issues:

1) Should Carrasquero have waited?

2) Why haven’t the Carter Center and the OAS said anything? Will they? Should we care (I do!)

 3) Should we count the paper ballots center by center and match those results to the machines?

 4) What about other international observers, should they tell us about their report? Are they all simply sleeping?

 5) Do the results make sense when compared to the number of signatures? Compared to the number of signatures of all of the petition processes?

6) Does it sound reasonable that the two CNE Directors that do not support Chávez were excluded from the process of totalling the votes?

Thank You

The CD says the results are exactly the opposite based on : Exit polls and the addition of all of the final results of all of the polling stations in the country added by Sumate. They said that the two CNE Directors that are not pro-Chavez were not allowed in the totalling of the data of the CNE. There was no audit of the paper ballots and this was a gigantic fraud. Nothing yet from OAS and the Carter Center. I hear two different rumors, one that at ten AM ther willbe a press conference, two, that OAS may leave the country without saying anything a la Peru. Very sad and confusing outcome. This is the worst possible. The Cd also said they will ask for the addition of all paper ballots printed by the voting machines. 

The CNE says the No won 58% to 41% with 94% of the results in. If OAS and Carter says this is true, then that’s it we lost. But I think this will drag on. Supposedly nither Smartmatic, nor carter nor OAS back the results so far. This is the worst possible scenario in terms of peace for Venezuela..

Two CNE Directors say they do not agree with CNE announcement that is upcoming, that no audit has been performd and that the people that are supposed to approve totals have not approved and that record used for results is not the one that is supposed to be used. They also said that international organizations do not back the announcement. This is very bad. I dont know which side to belive, but why is the announcemnet being made if two Directors do not agree and totals are not the way they are supposed to be? Why not wait? CNE Director Mejias said that is all material is not at CNE how can they make the announcement. Confusing and depressing.

I hear now that the CNE is getting ready to announce the No won by 5% 52.5% to 47.5%, very confusing.

The Independent in the U.K. may have been the first international newspaper to project the results of the recall vote in Venezuela.

And how about Reuters:

Light crude oil for September delivery (CLc1) rose 27 cents to $46.85 a barrel — the highest since the New York Mercantile Exchange launched oil futures 21 years ago — in ACCESS electronic trading.

“Energy markets have been worried about disruptions to Venezuela‘s oil exports if the referendum provokes social unrest and opposition strikes.”

You learn something everyday…

Chavez’ campaign command center is empty. Foreign Reporters and international observers are all in the Coordinadora’s Headquarters. Members of Chavez’ campaign command have visited the private TV stations they have not visited in almost six years. Only two people from the Government have claimed victory, both were part of the failed Comando Ayacucho and excluded from Comando Maisanta. The Coordinadora has said they will give out projections after the CNE amkes an announcement. You be the judge of what is happening…